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Posted By MAXLA on 10 Aug 2009 10:18PMHello there,I was curious as to your input on using the different 'brands'of post processing softwares. I have used IMSpost with decentresults, but was curious about AZPOST & CAMPOST? I was readingabout AZpost.
Where you apparently select the 'type' of machinefirst then you customize each post from there. That seems prettysimilar to IMSpost. Is it the case? Pros and cons of each???Thanks a lot.
This is a great forum!CAMPOST $$$$AZPOST $ 4-times cheaper and will work for most machineconfigurations including 90deg head on 5-axis machines.I can't compare these 2 for functionality because I have usedAZpost only. However, I found that lots of nc-programmers find itdifficult to configure it when it comes to selectively use LINTOL,RAPID for the rotary axes motion etc.p.s. It seems that in future there may be a lesser need forcustom post-processors because some of control manufactures areadding the ability to read x,y,z,i,j,k format and resolve for anyauxiliary axes combination (A,B,C) right on the machine similar toNIT control post except it becomes part of the machine control.
I created more than 20 posts with CAMPOST, including 3-axis,4-axis, 5-axis, lathe and millturns. Functionally, CAMPOST isperfect, the service is excellent. You can configure your post byselecting the choices or answering the questions.
There is also awizard to help you building the post. However, if you want abeautiful looking output, you have to use the macro programminglanguage. But is not hard to learn, I learn it by myself.The only drawback of it is, as Samarinder said, $$$$I got no experience with other posts. I've dabbled inpost-processors many years now but I'm by no means a pro at it.Here's my experience:AZPost, IMS -noneAustin NC,GPOSTTheir FIL routineis very APT-like so it was easy for me to customize the posts forour purposes.ICAM,CAMPOSTTheir User definedmacros are also APT-like. At first I had trouble passing thefollowing line (for example):LH = 1; RH =2It took a whilefor ICAM support to figure this out ( I have no idea why) but Ifinally found someone there that showed me how to do it –good thing because we had thousands of NC programs using thesevariables in this fashion.
I only mention this because someone elsemay be going or have gone through this and haven’t found asolution yet. It was a show-stopper here for a while.I have the luxuryof having both GPOST and CAMPOST at our facility so I created apost in GPOST and during one of our downtimes I created a post onthe same machine/control using CAMPOST just for giggles. They bothhave strengths and weaknesses and both have excellent support.Again, with my past APT experience the posts weren't real hard forme to create.I will have to saythat post-processing is not much fun for the inexperienced when yourun into trouble, especially with multi-axis machines.If you have anoddball machine/control the template you’re given may takeyou on a ride you don’t want to be on. Otherwise, you mayhave a good experience as Roger did.Bryan’sarticle about post-processors was very informative and bothSamarinder and Bryan make me want to check out AZpost.
Thanks for the input WICHARD.As I said, my post building experience is very limited.And being a contractor that is constantly moving around, I amusually stuck with what the company already has.I don't have any idea what post builders cost either. If I decideto buy one someday, I'm sure that will be a concideration.
I assumeIMS is much cheaper than ICAM but for my limited usage, I wouldprobably have to go with something like AZpost as it's cheaperstill.How does the price of GPOST compare to AZpost? How does the price of GPOST compare to AZpost?It depends how many posts you want to have.G-post is very similar to Icam where you have to build your ownposts using their post-builder. In AZpost you get a custompost an executable file with a configuration file. And with minormodification to config file you can use the post for anothermachine configurationFor example:I have one of my posts is VMC 5-axis for Haas Trunnion tablewith A tilt, B platterIt can be used for VMC 3-axis, VMC 4-axis using A, VMC 4-axisusing B or C depends how machine manufacturer puts it together.Also I have developed a GUI for it and user can launch it fromwithin Catia seamlessly with one click. Posted By WICHARD on 12 Aug 2009 09:37AMAlso, Samarinder said ' It seemsthat in future there may be a lesser need for custompost-processors because some of control manufactures are adding theability to read x,y,z,i,j,k format and resolve for any auxiliaryaxes combination (A,B,C) right on the machine similar to NITcontrol post except it becomes part of the machinecontrol.' I first heard about this 11years ago and this is the first I've heard of it since.
Wonder howthat's going now.I heard the computer will automatically create the NCprogram from the engineering design 20 years ago. I can't resist.If (which will never happen) suddenly the million CNC machines inthe world suddenly all had the same control we'd all be out of ajob, because by that time, all parts will also be automaticallyprogrammed- which probably one day WILL happen, and they're workinghard on it.The point of singularity won't be the problem, though. Machineswould simply handle that the same way that post-processors do.Usually, there's only two choices, and the post will take the onewith the shorter distance. This is one reason why it's important tohave MORE decimal places than LESS.
Also, there are real problemswith Catia's IJK output sometimes. SQR(I^^2 + J^^2 + K^^2) isSUPPOSED to EQUAL 1. But with Catia, that's not always the case.This will sometimes throw off the correct Axial motions.
GOOD postprocessors will normalize these vectors before processing. Anotherreason that the CUSTOM post is going to be better (more accurate)than most CANNED post-building software.A lot of new programmers think all that a post does is simply takeAPTSOURCE and turn it simply into G-code- so why would one post bebetter than another?As I mentioned, normalizing vectors correctly is one reason.Another is correct Inverse Time calculations. Not all LINTOLalgorithms are the same. Will your post automatically decide toturn LINTOL on and off? Is LINTOL needed when in RAPID mode androtating one or both axes? Obviously, the tool isn't cutting ifit's in RAPID.?
Will your post automatically look ahead andpre-unwind the head before entering a cut, or does it have to pullout mid-cut to unwind.or do you have to manually enter a commandto unwind it? Will it automatically detect where above or to theside of the part (on a gantry.if the head is at B +/- 90) it issafe to pull out and unwind.and how do you control the pulloutdistance, and approach speed? Can it do cutter comp in MULTAX/ONmode, 3-axis circles, helix's, nurb splines, etc.?There's a lot more to post-building.I don't want to give up allthe secrets.and all the logic that I build now into my ownposts.but these are just a few concepts to think about whenchoosing a post! Posted By QUANWEN on 13 Aug 2009 07:56AMThere will be a long way to go to let the CNC manufactures toaccept a standard input. There is a standard raised some years agobut not much progress made since then.(x, y,z, i, j, k) may result in the multiple posiblerotary positions be determined at the machine run-time. I mean theproblem of singularities. We prefer it be determinedbefore we run it.Quanwen DuQuanwen,If you look into NIT control post that does run aptsourcedirectly on the machine and I dont see any problem having suchsimilar functionality integrated directly inside the machinecontrol.In other words a built-in post-processor on machine control.
Our post guy loves Austin NC G-post and is able to make it doalmost anything, plus he used to work for them. They inventedthe G-post and also have an APT system.We have several Siemens 840D's and all of them use point-vectorinput. The post is relatively simple with the machine datamatching the APT source. Lots of benefits sending IJK(actually A3, B3, C3) data including 5 axis transformations at themachine.
We do give up control to the kinematics on themachine so that the current head position is dependant on theprevious head position, unless a travel limit israched.Bottom line is that point-vector input works on the 840D and itdoes make the post simpler. One thing you have to do is think about your needs, just likebuying a CNC machine. Do you need a 3-axis, 4, 5, 6?, 3 spindle,4-spinde. Same goes with posts.If you don't want to do a lot of customizing, than the cheaperposts will do.If you want a good post, for the long run, that is a partnerwith Dassault, than picking one of the 3partners should be considered. If you are planning onusing CATIA Machine Simulation, then getting a post that canhave its guts slurped into a control emulator, is going to save youa lot.My number one goal, with 72 machines, was to be ableto create machine independent programs, and let the post doalll he heavy lifting, so I do not have to change things thatrequire another aptsource verification, just to change a machine.That is why I work with one, yes one pptable.Here is a testimonial I wrote about Icam, and I stand byit.
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To see it go toCAM-POST Completes FMI’s“Best-in-Class” ToolsIn 2003, Forest Machining Inc. (FMI) upgraded to CATIA V5,thereby, employing state-of-the-art CAD/CAM programming andverification systems. To complete the “best on class”software package, FMI adopted the leading NC post processingsoftware development tool in the industry, CAM-POST by ICAMTechnologies Corporation (ICAM).FMI selected CAM-POST because it is simple, easy to use andproduces advanced, customizable and reliable NC post-processors.CAM-POST also offered FMI direct product integration within CATIAV5 for improved process efficiency, while equally supportingFMI’s additional CAD/CAM system requirements.
This provides asingle, common platform to meet FMI’s manufacturing processstandardization initiatives.“30% of the we havecompleted make extensive use of 90 heads,in 5-axes machines, and we need a post that could handle that withreliability”, Said Dave Frank, NC Programming Lead at FMI.“All the jobs are checked using verification software beforereleasing to the shop, so the post must be reliable - errors areunacceptable.”CAM-POST supports all the macro post word variables used inFMI’s former post-processor. In addition, the newpost-processors can be easily enhanced with ICAM’s uniquemacro debugger - an invaluable coding tool that provides FMI withimproved productivity and a competitive edge in the marketplace.The use of CAM-POST’s advanced “look ahead”capabilities enabled FMI to optimize multi-axes CNCperformance.The goal of FMI management was to create an environment wherepost-processors can be developed using a single common postdatabase shared by all NC programmers, a feature inherent toCAM-POST. A single central post database ensures the use of uniformcommands with consistent input and output that is independent ofthe programmer and, or the CAD/CAM system.
Should a modification orfix be required for any post, it is done to the main post database;thereby, allowing all programmers to benefit from the newcapability.Some of FMI’s machines take centerline data insteadof G-code. Posts are indended to read CL data and output G-code.Working together with ICAM’s support, FMI was able to readCL, manipulate it as needed and output CL data configured preciselyfor those machines. The post can break the program automaticly,where FMI wanted to, into the right size for machinememory.The new CAD /CAM systems, on large hard metal parts, cangenerate days of motion with a single operation. Cos( I)= I/(SQR((I^2 +J^2 +K^2 ))cos(J)= J/(SQR((I^2 +(J^2 +K^2 ))cos(K)= K/(SQR((I^2 +(J^2 +K^2 ))ALL post processors must do this to Catia's tool axis vectors,which we call direction ratio's. It's just a given, because that'show you find out what the angle is of each vector along eachaxis.I have no idea why Catia doesn't just output the actualdirection cosine's and save the post processors an extra step. Iwould bet other CAM systems do.but then again, Catia's aptsourceis weird.just look at the old version CIRCLE records.when inAPT could you intersect a circle with a point?
Fixed now, I thinksince R15, now it's always an intersection with a line.The problem of singularity isn't an issue on A/B head machines withlimits less than 180 degrees. That's why NIT works so well on them.You'd rarely see NIT running on a C axis machine with more than 180degrees.